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Much conversation of pleasure distinct pleasure welcome to the program dr. Jonathan Allen he's a physicist he has a great interest in engineering issues and alternate energy I think comes under his purview a great deal he's also got a wide systems understanding of physics and the scientific process I think it's fair to say we met at a event at at the Space Museum of the planetarium with Carter mr de bought it was really a great night and everything very good to meet you ate a good conversation and Jonathan welcome very very much conversation thank you okay share with us if you would please your back were born and raised educated and then we'll talk about cabbages and kings and physics and so forth okay i was born in 1942 in massachusetts my father was well educated but spent his career mostly as a merchant it running a lumberyard uh-huh and that's why a lot of my engineering I make things out of wood because that's what I grew up what is BA said wood is beautiful yes it has also some excellent suprize engineering engineering properties which we can go into some time if you'd like yeah sure okay anyway ah my mother who was a schoolteacher she taught high school English mm-hmm and made sure that we kids I have a sister who's maybe as younger than I am she's a journalist and she made sure that we learned to write and to speak correct English as I used to say it you could get away with cussing but it better be in a grammatically that's funny that were your sisters so that was my mother so do your mother ok it's ok to cuss but it better be in a great grammatically correct self game that's good so you're heading for engineering for sure under that totally jail anyway I showed an interest in science fairly early in school i entered the science fairs mm-hmm i became at about the age of 13 or so I became a ham radio operator and built some of my own equipment were you a tinkerer very much a tinkerer yeah but I didn't have a lot of money to spend on it I became very much a gadget here almost a tinkerer of necessity because uh it you have to build your stuff or buy surplus stuff and adapted right those days it was a lot of electronic surplus available yeah out of the way or write the war and by the way I still have some of it and I still use it oh really that way they know how to make products back in those days yeah absolutely immortal stuff but anyway um in college I I made up my mind that I did not want to go into engineering because in those days I had a sort of an impression that engineers were people who were not very socially conscious right they were so for instance you tell an engineer design a hydraulic pump he'll design the hydraulic pump without regard for whether it's going in a tractor or a guided missile and I did not want to be that kind is it is it fair to say is that a nerdy kind of appellate they we give to that or is that like under they have computer nerds you know well you know well we were people who were interested in science and...
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